--- title: "Greatest players" description: "The final page of a six-page argument about who the best players in the game ever were." kind: "forum-thread" dateLabel: "May 6-8, 2004" board: "General Discussion" postCount: 14 completeness: "partial" completenessNote: "Page 6 of 6. Pages 1 to 5 were never captured." sourceSite: "dp-players.com" sourceUrl: "http://www.dp-players.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32" captureUrl: "https://web.archive.org/web/20040803020622/http://www.dp-players.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=514" recoveredAt: "2026-08-14T00:00:00.000Z" textKind: "verbatim" canonical: "https://darkpawns.labz0rz.com/archive/topic-t32/" --- ## In this conversation | Name | Role | Posts | | --- | --- | --- | | sinko | dark pawn | 2 | | Fred Sanford | dark pawn | 3 | | Vintage | pawn | 1 | | Bannor | pawn | 2 | | Whistler | moderator | 3 | | Xian | pawn | 1 | | Doragar | immortal | 1 | | aidan | site administrator | 1 | *Transcript note: generated from the raw phpBB capture `p514.html` (page 6 of 6). Author sidebars, profile links and private-message links are omitted.* ### sinko — Thu May 06, 2004 2:34 pm I find that the more you do a monsters the easier it is to predict how it will react and how you should react to them. Minor aspects change every time, but nothing extreme. Players on the other hand react in idioticlly different ways every time you face them. Of couse player reactions are also predictable, but in the end there is no telling what a moron with a dagger in his back will actually do when the situation presents itself This is why only PVP still elevates my heartbeat and gets my adrenaline flowing. While I'm on this same train of thought, many players who are great pvm cannot cope with pvp...and often visa versa. It is difficult for any person who has only been here since the policy mods to understand what true DP PvP was like. It was far more brual/demeaning/meaningful/fair. The current PvP system is like carebears in plate mail. In the old days you were either good at it or you made friends who were. Blah, I'm getting further and further off topic, so i'll nip it in the bud now. Also, pvp isn't always about "straight-up" fighting. Trickery and manipulation are fair game. Sparring is only a fraction of pvp.;P ### Fred Sanford — Fri May 07, 2004 8:14 am Couple notes for Vintage: On the pk, if you trusted me at all after you INITIATED the tension between us by trying to summon/steal my chars, backstabbing me in temple when I was soloing merlin, and other bullshit that's your fault, you should know better than trust someone (especially me) who you tried to fook. As for your lack of fighting prowess, that's all you, bro. As for the "handed shiznit on a silver platter" I was talking to and not even referring to Morpheus, and certainly not you. I don't doubt that you haven't received much help because you've never done anything significant besides run your mouth, mud like a pussy, cheat with Azarith by using each other's chars and stealing pw's, and annoy people. I may be on a pedestal but at least I can back it up \[Razz\]. As for your "hatred" of me, consider you probably "hated" me before you knew me, since you singlehandedly started the conflict between us. Look at your titles half the time, man (Vintage hates you, Lori hates you.) I would have to assume this wealth of anger stems from self-hatred, perhaps some freudian mother hatred. Maybe you could benefit from a few hours on a couch. Prozac, man, Prozac. Seriously, though, I really don't hate you as you do me, and I have more reason to do so considering you fucked with me multiple times when I didn't even know who you were, and you certainly didn't know me. I'm too old for that shiznit, it don't lead to anything positive. As I stated after the last time I murdalized your crew, I'm perfectly willin to be cool.\ It's like the War song: "Why can't we be friends, Why can't weeee be friends" *Oh! Liz'beth! I'm comin to join ya, honey!* ### Vintage — Fri May 07, 2004 11:21 am I actually believe you started the animosity by killing one of my outlaw characters in the temple. I did have pretty nice eq as a few characters. I have actually, no problem with you unless you fook with people on the game that I know irl - which is probably what this all stemmed from to begin with. Why can't we be friends? You are a traitorous trouble-maker. Why? That's beyond me, but you and Sparahawk deserve whatever happens to you. *The coast is going up in flames, but the water sure is nice. Burn baby, burn.* ### Bannor — Fri May 07, 2004 3:20 pm > **Fred Sanford, earlier in this thread:** > > Seriously, though, I really don't hate you as you do me, and I have more reason to do so considering you fucked with me multiple times when I didn't even know who you were, and you certainly didn't know me. I'm too old for that shiznit, it don't lead to anything positive. As I stated after the last time I murdalized your crew, I'm perfectly willin to be cool.\ > It's like the War song: "Why can't we be friends, Why can't weeee be friends" well now dangit Sanford, thats not what you told me when I was trying to be cool with you after our last encounter, something YOU started by PKing my multi's while I was linkdead. Whats up with that man? You talk about consistancy, and yet here you are contradicting your "I hold a grudge for life" motto you spouted at me. Sure I told you to go "fook yourself" but I was pissed off and putting out the first things in mind, not neccessarily the right things. Please, cut the sarcasm and give it to us straight, and if you are giving it straight, Why in gods name did you say you have a grudge for life against me? ### Whistler — Fri May 07, 2004 4:37 pm Gee... and Sanford tells me that I am the \*only\* person on dp that he has a problem with... Oh, that was right before he asked if we could "be cool", which was right before he threatened to "pk my chars on sight". ### Fred Sanford — Sat May 08, 2004 2:12 pm Vintage - me killing you in temple was months after you started the shiznit between us, and after SEVERAL attacks. Get your facts straight. You have time to fook with people you don't know; personally, I don't have a reason, nor do I give enough of a fook about you to waste my time killing you if you don't give me a reason to. I start out as neutral/friendly with EVERYONE until they give me a reason to change that status. Bannor - I didn't kill your linkdead multis, but you can fantasize about whatever you like. Also, if you wanted peaceful relations, maybe you should have acted as such rather than resorting to childish namecalling and obscenity when I'd never spoken a word to you in my life. I haven't attacked you though, man, I've just gone on what I know of you from others and my own experiences, and that is not a favorable estimate.\ If you WANT hostility between us, I can oblige you, however. I can only assume you feel some sort of safety in comforming to the common mindset and attacking as part of a group rather than achieving independent thought and maybe realizing I'd be fine and even friendly with you if you acted with any sort of cordiality towards me. Whistler - I ASKED if you would prefer if I kill you on sight, given your satanic response to the mature overture I made to you in the hopes of a peaceful resolution. I tried to overlook your trespasses and immaturity, you can't say I didn't try. Give me a fucking break, look at your post. Why would someone ask if we can be cool, then suddenly resort to such bitterness? Could it have anything to do with your response? Hrmmm.\ Come on, I know you're not the smartest person but I had given you more credit than that. I think you guys can't stand the fact that while I'm an arrogant asshole, I'm still more mature and willing to work towards a peaceful conclusion than all of you, considering ALL of you tried to fook me one way or another when I never did a thing against any of you initially. I think it makes you reflect on yourselves, not liking what you see, and somehow blame me for it \[Razz\] The facts speak for themselves; again, I'm sitting here trying to fix other people's bullshit, and all 3 of you try to contradict me to reopen hostilities. Why the flock would I try to make a peaceful solution to Vintage's bullshit if it wasn't genuine? I'd just attack him if I felt otherwise. You guys can fool yourselves, indeed you're great at it, but you can't fool me. The only person I haven't tried to make peace with is actually Bannor; I didn't know it'd sunk to the point where it was needed but his attempt to undermine my attempt to make peace shows otherwise. Being the bigger man that I am, I'm still willing to make peace with all 3 of you, and indeed anyone else who's been belligerent with me based on a reputation spread by people who don't even know me. *Oh! Liz'beth! I'm comin to join ya, honey!* ### Whistler — Sat May 08, 2004 2:58 pm So... I'm not the smartest person, Sanford? I don't really think a college dropout has any business judging my intelligence. Arrogance doesn't equal brains, by any stretch. It's just like Xi and I used to say... some of you might be able to get better eq than wd, and be able to lord that over us, but we can flunk your asses right out of college. ### Xian — Sat May 08, 2004 3:11 pm > **Fred Sanford wrote:** > > I'm still more mature and willing to work towards a peaceful conclusion than all of you, considering ALL of you tried to fook me one way or another when I never did a thing against any of you initially. Well, Sanford, I died about 6 times once trying to unloot you, and then you pk'ed me 3 times for changing eq in front of you...and when I unlooted Blaid and left your eq, we agreed that we were even. Then I have reports that you were planning to pk me later anyway? *...and then the leprechaun came and told me to burn things...* ### Whistler — Sat May 08, 2004 3:30 pm The only consistent thing about Sanford is his complete inconsistency, but I believe this is all truly a ploy. He says what he wants you to believe, then he does as he always has. Some things just never change, and mere words cannot make it so. If Sanford ever has expectations of trust or a "cool" relationship from myself, he would have to have to figure out how to earn it. In the meantime, Sanford, I suggest that from here on, I'll agree to ignore your presence, if you agree to ignore mine. I really think that is the best "relationship" we are likely to attain. ### Fred Sanford — Sat May 08, 2004 4:35 pm Yay, tho the vast legions of evil may try to lower me to their level so to better demonize me, my unwavering Stoicism will not be shaken by words of poison, and forgiveness of the misdeeds of others remains my prime objective. Only you, Whistler, would spit such acidic words from your forked tongue at a proposition of peace. To quote you: "Arrogance doesn't equal brains" Really? I was under the impression that a person's intelligence quotient moves up by one point every time that person asserts their greatness. Damn, you come up with some brilliant points. "It's just like Xi and I used to say... some of you might be able to get better eq than wd, and be able to lord that over us, but we can flunk your asses right out of college." Intelligence is not determined by actions in life, intelligence is an inherent quality largely determined by genetics and refined by education. If you possessed any of the intellectual capacity you pretend to have, you would know this. Observation of speech patterns is in most cases a great way to measure Iq, and if that or any quote I could take from you is any indicator, well......you prove my point with your own words far better than I ever could. So, I suppose, in terms of proving your own obtuseness, a virtual Einstein be thou. Idiots don't graduate from high school at 16, idiots make comments quite coincidentally similar to the ones you made. I "flunked" out of college at 19 with 108 credits towards a bachelor's, which I will be going back to earn soon. Nice try, though, with the exceedingly petty personal attack \[Razz\] You must feel like a mature, proud adult. I've heard allegations of you being a ... but I don't try to throw out your dirty laundry for everyone to see. These are the types of things that make me correct and dignified, and you the base wretch you seemingly aspire to be. As for our continued relations, your quote of me "earning" your friendship seems to exceed even my own alleged megalomania \[Razz\] Nay, I've been an adult to your child, \*I\* have been big enough to put aside your cheating, lies, and deception, so I put the burden of ascending to my own level on you. Why I would want to put in extra effort to "earn" the friendship of such a bitter, childish person is beyond me. As with Vintage (and probably myself, and even ALL of us \[Razz\]), I think you could benefit from some time on a couch with a psychotherapist. "I'll agree to ignore your presence, if you agree to ignore mine. I really think that is the best "relationship" we are likely to attain." As long as you insist on clinging to such negative, pessimistic beliefs, I'm sure that is quite true. Xian wrote: Well, Sanford, I died about 6 times once trying to unloot you, and then you pk'ed me 3 times for changing eq in front of you Give me a fucking break, dozens of people change eq in front of me every day, and I don't do a thing to them, so why would I kill you for that alone? We seem to have a discrepancy between logic, truth, and your story. I don't believe that, anyone with any respectable level of judgment can not believe that, and I sure as hell hope you don't believe it. I killed you when I kindly asked if you might quickly go east and change eq as I and Sparahawk were doing, as I was in the middle of a very delicate conversation on tells, and you were repeatedly spamming us. YOU proceeded to break our friendship by being extremely rude and running your mouth at me. I won't tolerate that, and you should have known better. At THAT point we were even, and only because of my leniency. As for the hearsay, have I killed you since? This AFTER you certainly deserved such with your backdoor, pussified attack on my eq rather than me. I, as with the others, negotiated a peace for YOUR fuckups. As for believing the malicious lies of fools, that is your priority. Maybe instead of hiding behind the matriarchal evil of Whistler, you could step out, be a man, thank me for forgiving you, and be friends rather than insist on this petty bullshit. Then again, from what I can gather, you're 14 (?) or so, so it's a little more forgivable than other people. I may respond to the antagonism of those who verbally assault me with brutal candor, but I assure you guys you're really not important enough for me to feel hatred for. I'm really serious when I say I'm willing to put aside all the bs and be friends. No doubt, Whistler and others will fire back with their retorts, as only they could do in attacking honest overtures towards peace as being essentially wicked and diabolical. The only deception and diabolism here are that which have been infused into this conversation by the authors of whom I speak, who make invalid points while failingly attacking one man in depressingly endless swarms of ineptitude. *Oh! Liz'beth! I'm comin to join ya, honey!* ### Bannor — Sat May 08, 2004 5:41 pm > **Fred Sanford, earlier in this thread:** > > I didn't know it'd sunk to the point where it was needed but his attempt to undermine my attempt to make peace shows otherwise. Neither did I. If I was unduely over-aggressive, then my appoligies, I am just looking for the truth. As when we spoke on the mud, I am completely willing to be at peace with everyone, I play DP for the game, not PvP. I love peace, individuality, morals, truth, intelligence and consentual trade of values. Do you? ### sinko — Sat May 08, 2004 7:01 pm My friendship can only be bought, and most of you are running low on funds. ### Doragar — Sat May 08, 2004 9:38 pm It's just a thought, but since this conversation has strayed so far from the intended topic and before personal attacks get even more out of hand, why don't people discontinue the petty bickering back and forth. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believed the forums were for constructive comments/criticisms/ideas relating to the mud - none of the last dozen posts really coincides with that ideal, and given that this page is being advertised on TMC, do you really want potential new players to read all of this? ### aidan — Sat May 08, 2004 9:40 pm good call. thread is offically locked. and stop with personal attacks, I don't care how valid you think your point is. from now on if I see a post personally attacking someone, it will be deleted. *I did it like this*\ *I did it like that*\ *I did it with a wiffle ball bat*